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No night flight restriction
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Jim Stewart
2009-09-08 18:15:39 UTC
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How does one go about removing a no night flight
restriction from a private pilot license?
j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
2009-09-08 18:45:00 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
How does one go about removing a no night flight
restriction from a private pilot license?
It depends on why the restriction exists.

If it is just a training issue, get the training.

If it is a medical issue, you have to show the restriction is not warrented,
and how to do that in turn depends on the medical issue.

Exactly how to do this would be better put to AOPA or at least include
the information as to why the restriction exists.
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Jim Pennino

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Jim Stewart
2009-09-08 18:56:19 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
How does one go about removing a no night flight
restriction from a private pilot license?
It depends on why the restriction exists.
If it is just a training issue, get the training.
If it is a medical issue, you have to show the restriction is not warrented,
and how to do that in turn depends on the medical issue.
Exactly how to do this would be better put to AOPA or at least include
the information as to why the restriction exists.
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test. Plane is not approved for
night flight. Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
2009-09-08 19:15:01 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
How does one go about removing a no night flight
restriction from a private pilot license?
It depends on why the restriction exists.
If it is just a training issue, get the training.
If it is a medical issue, you have to show the restriction is not warrented,
and how to do that in turn depends on the medical issue.
Exactly how to do this would be better put to AOPA or at least include
the information as to why the restriction exists.
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test. Plane is not approved for
night flight. Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
Just get the required night training in another airplane.

I take it that this was long ago as the FAA no longer does this except
in Alaska.
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Jim Pennino

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Robert M. Gary
2009-09-10 17:58:19 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test.  Plane is not approved for
night flight.  Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
I'm not aware that its possible to receive a private pilot certificate
with a night limitation on it. During the student's training he is
required to receive night training. Thiis need not be in the same
plane as the students other training. Just rent a 172 with the CFI and
get the required training.
If the student has already passed his private than I can't think of
how he could have such a limitation on his certificate (perhaps some
odd Alaska rule or something??)

-Robert
j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
2009-09-10 18:15:01 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test.  Plane is not approved for
night flight.  Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
I'm not aware that its possible to receive a private pilot certificate
with a night limitation on it. During the student's training he is
required to receive night training. Thiis need not be in the same
plane as the students other training. Just rent a 172 with the CFI and
get the required training.
If the student has already passed his private than I can't think of
how he could have such a limitation on his certificate (perhaps some
odd Alaska rule or something??)
-Robert
Currently this only happens in Alaska.

It used to be you could get a private without night privileges, but that
was changed some time ago.
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Jim Pennino

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Robert M. Gary
2009-09-10 18:32:54 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test.  Plane is not approved for
night flight.  Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
I'm not aware that its possible to receive a private pilot certificate
with a night limitation on it. During the student's training he is
required to receive night training. Thiis need not be in the same
plane as the students other training. Just rent a 172 with the CFI and
get the required training.
If the student has already passed his private than I can't think of
how he could have such a limitation on his certificate (perhaps some
odd Alaska rule or something??)
-Robert
Currently this only happens in Alaska.
It used to be you could get a private without night privileges, but that
was changed some time ago.
Then, unless the administrator has made other arrangements, the
limitation would have to be removed by a DPE and a 8710 would have to
be filled out. A CFI cannot remove a limitation on a certificate.

-Robert
j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
2009-09-10 19:00:00 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
Student pilot who owns his own plane for training
and practical test.  Plane is not approved for
night flight.  Student passes PP test without night
checkout, but in the future would like to have night
privileges with other aircraft.
I'm not aware that its possible to receive a private pilot certificate
with a night limitation on it. During the student's training he is
required to receive night training. Thiis need not be in the same
plane as the students other training. Just rent a 172 with the CFI and
get the required training.
If the student has already passed his private than I can't think of
how he could have such a limitation on his certificate (perhaps some
odd Alaska rule or something??)
-Robert
Currently this only happens in Alaska.
It used to be you could get a private without night privileges, but that
was changed some time ago.
Then, unless the administrator has made other arrangements, the
limitation would have to be removed by a DPE and a 8710 would have to
be filled out. A CFI cannot remove a limitation on a certificate.
-Robert
True, but first you have to go to a CFI and fullfill the training
requirement.
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Jim Pennino

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Jim Logajan
2009-09-10 18:34:34 UTC
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Post by Robert M. Gary
If the student has already passed his private than I can't think of
how he could have such a limitation on his certificate (perhaps some
odd Alaska rule or something??)
The relevant regulation is 61.110 "Night flying exceptions" and is indeed
specific to Alaska.
Jim Logajan
2009-09-10 18:31:36 UTC
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Post by Jim Stewart
How does one go about removing a no night flight
restriction from a private pilot license?
Section 61.110 "Night Flying Exceptions" of the Federal Aviation
Regulations seems to provide the basic details. Specifically, 61.110(b)(2)
contains the basic steps needed to remove the restriction. Not sure if you
were already aware of that section but werelooking for additional
clarification on those regs.
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