Flying by the numbers

[Gemini]

Greetings!

In my training thus far, I have been learning to fly
in a 1971 Piper Cherokee 140. My CFI has taught my to fly
the traffic pattern, I assume, "by the numbers".

i.e. When flying downwind in the pattern, once the
leading edge of the wing passes the end of the runway,
reduce throttle to 2,000 RpM and add 1 notch of flap.
Maintain altitude until 80 MpH (yes, the speed is in MpH),
then, check back to esnure we have adequately passed the
runway. Add another notch of flap, maintain 80 MpH, slightly
increase throttle, then turn base. Once ready to turn final,
and still maintaining 80 MpH, add the final notch of flap,
turn final. Ensure in the proper glidepath by adjusting
throttle for angle of descent, and pitch for speed. We
were trimming the whole pattern, as well.

Similar stuff for power on/off stalls, etc. It may
be a bit soon in my training to wonder this, but, where would
I get this information for a different airplane? I assume
"the numbers" are different for each plane. i.e. There's a
Cherokee 180 in the hangar that he may acquire as well. He
also has a partnership in a Cherokee Six (I'd LOVE to fly
that one!), etc. What about a Cessna at a nearby airport?

I guess it would come out in checkrides, but, what
if I wanted the info on hand? Is this Manufacturer's stuff,
or is what my CFI gave me data that _he_ dicovered and is
unique to his plane?

Thanks and Regards,
Scott

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        Similar stuff for power on/off stalls, etc. It may
be a bit soon in my training to wonder this, but, where would
I get this information for a different airplane?

POH is where you get performance numbers.

I assume
"the numbers" are different for each plane. i.e. There's a
Cherokee 180 in the hangar that he may acquire as well. He
also has a partnership in a Cherokee Six (I'd LOVE to fly
that one!), etc. What about a Cessna at a nearby airport?

POH again is the final authority for "numbers" suggested by the
manufacturer. The DPE will expect that you know these numbers such as
never exceed, stall and the such. In the pattern, generally it's
pilot descretion for the most part on downwind and base, but final
approach those suggested speed numbers will be found in the POH.

        I guess it would come out in checkrides, but, what
if I wanted the info on hand? Is this Manufacturer's stuff,
or is what my CFI gave me data that _he_ dicovered and is
unique to his plane?

Intimate knowlege of a plane does go a long way. I had my Sundowner
for 10 years and could control it just about to the knot of airspeed
and work the limits of performance. I can't say the same now that I
am back in a Cessna that I have not flown in 8 years nor would I want
to try it.

[Gemini]

Post by a***@gmail.com

        Similar stuff for power on/off stalls, etc. It may
be a bit soon in my training to wonder this, but, where would
I get this information for a different airplane?

POH is where you get performance numbers.

Ah, yes. I wasn't sure to what extent they would have those
things yet. I haven't actually seen a POH yet. I wasn't
sure if it would have the actual steps. i.e. Does the
POH indicate, for i.e. Slow Flight:
1) Reduce RpM to 1,500
2) Slowly add full flaps
3) Increase RpM to 2,000
4) Pitch to maintain 65 MpH
5) Throttle to mainatain altitude

Post by a***@gmail.com

I assume
"the numbers" are different for each plane. i.e. There's a
Cherokee 180 in the hangar that he may acquire as well. He
also has a partnership in a Cherokee Six (I'd LOVE to fly
that one!), etc. What about a Cessna at a nearby airport?

POH again is the final authority for "numbers" suggested by the
manufacturer. The DPE will expect that you know these numbers such as
never exceed, stall and the such. In the pattern, generally it's
pilot descretion for the most part on downwind and base, but final
approach those suggested speed numbers will be found in the POH.

I guess I'm referring to the steps as well as the numbers. Like
the example above or, for soft field take off, its 2 notches of
flap, pull back on yoke, smothly increase to full throttle,
at 50 MpH, ease back just enough to enter ground effect, then
level off until 70 MpH. Climb out at 70 MpH. When clear of trees,
slowly let out all flaps, then climb out at 90 MpH.

Would the POH give me the equivelent steps, for, say, a
Cherokee 180?

Post by a***@gmail.com

        I guess it would come out in checkrides, but, what
if I wanted the info on hand? Is this Manufacturer's stuff,
or is what my CFI gave me data that _he_ dicovered and is
unique to his plane?

Intimate knowlege of a plane does go a long way. I had my Sundowner
for 10 years and could control it just about to the knot of airspeed
and work the limits of performance. I can't say the same now that I
am back in a Cessna that I have not flown in 8 years nor would I want
to try it.

So it would seem that its a little of both...I'll need to ask the
owner of said plane, combined with the POH and my own experience.

Thanks for the quick response!

Scott
Student Pilot

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by Gemini
Ah, yes. I wasn't sure to what extent they would have those
things yet. I haven't actually seen a POH yet.

Check out http://www.leflighttraining.com/files/172NPOH.pdf for a
sample C172N POH.

Post by Gemini
I guess I'm referring to the steps as well as the numbers. Like
the example above or, for soft field take off, its 2 notches of
flap, pull back on yoke, smothly increase to full throttle,
at 50 MpH, ease back just enough to enter ground effect, then
level off until 70 MpH. Climb out at 70 MpH. When clear of trees,
slowly let out all flaps, then climb out at 90 MpH.

No, POH won't step out procedures for various takeoff and landing
techniques like you have described above.

Post by Gemini
So it would seem that its a little of both...I'll need to ask the
owner of said plane, combined with the POH and my own experience.

Yep! Also remember they are numbers provided in the POH are based on
"perfect conditions". Older planes probably won't meet the values in
a POH to the umpteenth degree.

[Gemini]

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by Gemini
Ah, yes. I wasn't sure to what extent they would have those
things yet. I haven't actually seen a POH yet.

Check out http://www.leflighttraining.com/files/172NPOH.pdf for a
sample C172N POH.

Post by Gemini
I guess I'm referring to the steps as well as the numbers. Like
the example above or, for soft field take off, its 2 notches of
flap, pull back on yoke, smothly increase to full throttle,
at 50 MpH, ease back just enough to enter ground effect, then
level off until 70 MpH. Climb out at 70 MpH. When clear of trees,
slowly let out all flaps, then climb out at 90 MpH.

No, POH won't step out procedures for various takeoff and landing
techniques like you have described above.

Post by Gemini
So it would seem that its a little of both...I'll need to ask the
owner of said plane, combined with the POH and my own experience.

Yep! Also remember they are numbers provided in the POH are based on
"perfect conditions". Older planes probably won't meet the values in
a POH to the umpteenth degree.

That was exactly what I was looking for. It did outline step by step all
the stuff I was talking about. Not to the level of detail I mentioned,
but the steps were there with the data, and the checkride will fill
in the extra details, I would presume.

Sporty's has reprints of POH for various planes, might be worth it - esp
for the plane I'm currently training in.

I also found the PDF of one for a Cherokee 180. The Cessana one you showed
me had much more detail - in that it shows step by step - but they both
seemed to have the data I was hoping to find.

Thanks again!
Regards,
Scott