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Cessna N734AE VFR Flight with ATC COMS - Video
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A Lieberman
2008-12-13 02:43:03 UTC
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Cessna N734AE VFR Flight with ATC COMS - Video

Me acting like a noob as a passenger on todays VFR flight to
Brookhaven MS.



An exclusive video probably not to be seen anywhere else on You Tube
(that is an aerial shot of the snow cover) The squeals of delight
were edited out when we saw snow on the ground! Yeah, I know a common
occurrence for you northern fliers, but this was a first for me!

Video includes transmissions of one of KJAN's most personable
controllers that makes our lives as pilots soooooo much easier!.

Snow sure made it easy to pick out emergency landing sites in the
midst all the trees below us!
Gezellig
2008-12-14 20:42:11 UTC
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Post by A Lieberman
Cessna N734AE VFR Flight with ATC COMS - Video
Me acting like a noob as a passenger on todays VFR flight to
Brookhaven MS.
http://youtu.be/pjmjttvrRN8
An exclusive video probably not to be seen anywhere else on You Tube
(that is an aerial shot of the snow cover) The squeals of delight
were edited out when we saw snow on the ground! Yeah, I know a common
occurrence for you northern fliers, but this was a first for me!
Video includes transmissions of one of KJAN's most personable
controllers that makes our lives as pilots soooooo much easier!.
Snow sure made it easy to pick out emergency landing sites in the
midst all the trees below us!
She's doing well! Very enthusiastic voice :)
A Lieberman
2008-12-14 23:59:49 UTC
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Post by Gezellig
She's doing well! Very enthusiastic voice :)
Thanks on behalf of Maryke for your compliments!

Nice hearing her on the radio, big change from the standard "mans
voice".

She has come a long way from my first flight with her in August. She
is working on her instrument rating and that is starting to show on
the quality of her flying.
WingFlaps
2008-12-17 03:37:07 UTC
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Post by A Lieberman
Post by Gezellig
She's doing well! Very enthusiastic voice :)
Thanks on behalf of Maryke for your compliments!
Nice hearing her on the radio, big change from the standard "mans
voice".
She has come a long way from my first flight with her in August.  She
is working on her instrument rating and that is starting to show on
the quality of her flying.
Just a thought, (and I'm not an instructor) but to me the first T&G
seemed to be blown by too high an approach. It's good that she held
off properly tho and revised the plan but I think she should have
called a full stop as soon as she realized the T&G could not be made
and did not want to go around. In a busy pattern, changing T&G to a
full stop makes a difference for following traffic. Perhaps you might
like to revise with her how to nail her aiming point? Also, when
joining at an uncontrolled field I've been taught that its more
informative for traffic to say more about your join procedure.
Something like "C172 N2345 joining left hand circuit early downwind
for 27 seal" at the first reporting point rather than just saying
"joining downwind at 45". That way, everyone knows you know the
correct circuit pattern and roughly where you are. Better yet, join
overhead and check for traffic. Believe it or not, I've heard a pilot
call right hand circuit when a left hand circuit was in operation -he
was immediately corrected by another plane in the circuit...

Cheers
A Lieberman
2008-12-21 04:10:06 UTC
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Post by WingFlaps
Just a thought, (and I'm not an instructor) but to me the first T&G
seemed to be blown by too high an approach. It's good that she held
off properly tho and revised the plan but I think she should have
called a full stop as soon as she realized the T&G could not be made
and did not want to go around.  In a busy pattern, changing T&G to a
full stop makes a difference for following traffic. Perhaps you might
like to revise with her how to nail her aiming point?  Also, when
joining at an uncontrolled field I've been taught that its more
informative for traffic to say more about your join procedure.
Something like  "C172 N2345 joining left hand circuit early downwind
for 27 seal" at the first reporting point rather than just saying
"joining downwind at 45". That way, everyone knows you know the
correct circuit pattern and roughly where you are. Better yet, join
overhead and check for traffic.  Believe it or not, I've heard a pilot
call right hand circuit when a left hand circuit was in operation -he
was immediately corrected by another plane in the circuit...
Cheers
I am not an instructor myself....

In this case, fortunately traffic was non existence. We didn't know
the results until bringing the plane under control, so "flying the
plane" even on the runway was paramount.

Edited out of the video was the call "cleared the active runway" (too
many calls to work with in short videos!) as well as the call
"backtaxiing to the runway".

I myself probably would not have done anything different and had I
been the plane behind us, of course I would have allowed enough
spacing to go around myself. The shock value added to the distraction
of any type of radio calls other then the standard calls (and catching
one's breath!)

Communication is important, but aviating and navigating is first and
foremost even if you are down on three wheels on the runway.

I myself have been guilty of "being on the wrong side" of the runway.
Old habits are hard to break, and after a 3 1/2 hour flight, I joined
my perceived downwind (left hand when it should have been right
hand).

Pilot on the right hand downwind was polite to recognize I wasn't
local and gave me a nice prompt to say he was turning right base which
the light bulb of the error of my ways came on. I had even noted on
my AFD right hand, but my flying ways still went left hand.

I took the time to thank him on the ground as I could have been a
major traffic conflict from my own inattention....

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