Discussion:
Drones To Be Certificated For GA?
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hierophant
2011-04-19 20:07:09 UTC
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Appears so :(

<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys>

The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???

My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
--
Live To Spend It
Daryl
2011-04-19 20:55:54 UTC
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Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are
on the way, get over it.
hierophant
2011-04-19 21:02:15 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are
on the way, get over it.
Daryl, calm down. ;) First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that
I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is
self-evident.

Do you have your PPL?
--
Live To Spend It
Daryl
2011-04-19 21:14:25 UTC
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Post by hierophant
Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying-report-drones-fly-through-congress-and-american-skys>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are
on the way, get over it.
Daryl, calm down. ;) First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that
I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is
self-evident.
Do you have your PPL?
You needed to say that in the original post. It looked like it
was a political statement or an anti government statement.

Actually I have PTSD. Shall I go off the meds? Saying that I
should go on my meds doesn't work over here. Of course, maybe I
should. There are a few people that need messing up. :)
Mark IV
2011-04-20 00:12:06 UTC
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Post by hierophant
Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying...>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent>   closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement.  Drones are
on the way, get over it.
Daryl, calm down. ;) First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that
I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is
self-evident.
Do you have your PPL?
You needed to say that in the original post.  It looked like it
was a political statement or an anti government statement.
Actually I have PTSD.  Shall I go off the meds?  Saying that I
should go on my meds doesn't work over here.  Of course, maybe I
should.  There are a few people that need messing up.  :)
Daryl,
"Heirophant" is a bonafied asshole and troll.
He previously went under the name Ari Silverstein.

=========
WARNING: Using a fake name, Heirophant's
premise is simple... "a lie is as good as the truth
if he can get someone to believe it." But heed this
warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
back on the various newsgroups, and there he will be
in all his pathetic ugliness. Yet, this time it is much
worse. Out to undermine these newsgroups to the
point that seemingly he alone appears to be the
only authority on just about everything, and/or
pretends he is trying to warn us of others, he not
only fabricates all he says, but does much of it
by stealing the identity of many others, including
yours truly, as the means to this end (if a posting
seems out of character or obscene, be sure to
check the Headers - if it's from X-privat or Hushmail,
it's a forged post from Heirophant). Besides the identity
theft, this time he is blatantly stalking many of
us into many other newsgroups that we frequent
as well, including this one, with the intent to disturb
and spread his lies there as well. It was even
shown that there are many more newsgroups that
he is trying to disturb this way, even an AVIATION
group in which he is apparently stealing the identity
of actual pilots, where periodic warnings to readers
about Heirophant are posted. There he PRETENDS
TO BE A PILOT; here he pretends to actually be
involved.

Unfortunately, because of these very antics by
Heirophant, some of the regulars have already moved
on to other forms of communication, or soon will
be, including many of the travel agents from one of
the original newsgroups he frequents. And after chasing
them away by posting vile messages under their names,
he chastises them for leaving the group. He then tries to
fool readers here that he is the savior of the group - when
in fact he is the person who has caused all the anarchy.

Others are simply waiting and hopefully for a time
when it is safe to rejoin the various groups. Yet, to
Heirophant, it doesn't matter... he simply continues to
post and adds threads using the identities of these
others, saying and implying things that they would
never actually say. And just look at his current
signature line in these other groups, doing the exact
same thing that he accuses many of us as doing.
Yet, unlike Heirophant's signature, ours is at least in
keeping with what is acceptable according to the Charter
guidelines. Plus, follow our links, which will lead you to
actual and legitimate connections, affiliations and
licensed endeavors. That can't be said of the associations
Heirophant claims; a website that attracts spammers,
in addition to certifications that have never heard of him.

Now we all know that this post and information will
simply be met with more lies, negative comments
and innuendos by Heirophant, staying true to form,
with him possibly tying to add clout by again taking
on the identity of some of the other regulars. As
to his bashing of me personally (which in this case
will be a forgone conclusion) one only needs to look
to the source. He hasn't been accurate yet in
anything he has said, so it is of little consequence
what he tries to makes up in this reference.

Nothing has changed on my end at all, but
seemingly this is not the case with some of the
services he claims as leverage in his dealings. Even
they have a problem claiming something that he
is not, and using foul language to boot. What
can be done in the meantime until such antics
can be stopped? On our part, that answer is simple.
Totally ignore everything Heirophant does and says,
don't believe a word of what he tells anyone,
be suspicious of others actually backing and
endorsing such behavior (it is probably just him
anyway), and let's simply go about business as
before - minus Heirophant.

---
Mark IV
Daryl
2011-04-20 01:01:07 UTC
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Post by hierophant
Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying...>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are
on the way, get over it.
Daryl, calm down. ;) First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that
I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is
self-evident.
Do you have your PPL?
You needed to say that in the original post. It looked like it
was a political statement or an anti government statement.
Actually I have PTSD. Shall I go off the meds? Saying that I
should go on my meds doesn't work over here. Of course, maybe I
should. There are a few people that need messing up. :)
Daryl,
"Heirophant" is a bonafied asshole and troll.
He previously went under the name Ari Silverstein.
Posting in a primarily Military Group as a troll is probably not
such a good idea. I have removed the one NG so I won't see the
response.
Mark IV
2011-04-21 21:26:16 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Post by Daryl
Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying...>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Your Cite is nothing more than a Political statement. Drones are
on the way, get over it.
Daryl, calm down. ;) First, it is an opinion not a "cite" and one that
I only partially share. Second, the fact that drones are coming is
self-evident.
Do you have your PPL?
You needed to say that in the original post. It looked like it
was a political statement or an anti government statement.
Actually I have PTSD. Shall I go off the meds? Saying that I
should go on my meds doesn't work over here. Of course, maybe I
should. There are a few people that need messing up. :)
Daryl,
"Heirophant" is a bonafied asshole and troll.
He previously went under the name Ari Silverstein.
Posting in a primarily Military Group as a troll is probably not
such a good idea.
That JEW got my Bellsouth account canceled, why? A simple death
threat, that's all.

Where's the Feds, Jewball? as to Federal employees...no one can get
within a quarter mile of me without a warrant. I'm very hard to access
and my critter cameras record everything that happens around here.

All I said was:

"Call your attorney. Call the FBI. Hunt me down. And when you do, be
sure and let's get a comprehensive list and copy of all these posts
which I've supposedly authored. There are hundreds of them.

He also brags that he's been forging my identity in "Pilots of
America" for 6 months. If this is true, then they should have those
archived as well. Yes as Mark, blueriverday. Myself, I've never been
there, nor plan to.

So, hunt "me" down, please. Expose my identity. Not the AT&T "me".
That's really me. I'm talking about the 15,000 groups he's claimed to
have spammed in my name, and made virtually unuseable. *That" Mark.

He's hiding in this group right now. Just look at the bottom of your
screen at those forgeries. CALL THE FBI.

This is a DEATH THREAT.

I'm considering KILLING him!"

MarkIV, so better than all the rest
Daryl
2011-04-21 21:39:48 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
That JEW got my Bellsouth account canceled, why? A simple death
threat, that's all.
If you put out the amount of trash I think you do, it wasn't the
"Jew" that got your account canceled, it was you that got your
account canceled.

Have a Nice day from a Christian.
Mark IV
2011-04-21 22:14:06 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Mark IV
That JEW got my Bellsouth account canceled, why? A simple death
threat, that's all.
If you put out the amount of trash I think you do, it wasn't the
"Jew" that got your account canceled, it was you that got your
account canceled.
Have a Nice day from a Christian.
Forget this childish internet stuff. I dare you to reveal your
identity. If you don't you're a coward. Any time, any place. Bring
your friends. I don't mind. Waiting... I DARE YOU. I am the ancestor
of the Vikings!

Hey, Jesustroll, when you were a little boy, did your granny explain
why everyone called you "Mr. Holy"? You know, because you were, and
STILL ARE a Xristian idiot.

Ok, go ahead, get busy. Spend another 1000 hours of your valueless
unemployed time and continue devoting your life to forging posts.
Yeah, spread it as far as you want, like you've been doing.

At the end of the day, I'll still be paying peeps to fly me and you
won't. See, the internet isn't my life like it is yours. Ok, I lied
rite there but I am MAN enough to admit it. I am sensible and in
control GODDAMMIT.

Mark IV, simply the best
hierophant
2011-04-21 22:16:03 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Daryl
Post by Mark IV
That JEW got my Bellsouth account canceled, why? A simple death
threat, that's all.
If you put out the amount of trash I think you do, it wasn't the
"Jew" that got your account canceled, it was you that got your
account canceled.
Have a Nice day from a Christian.
Forget this childish internet stuff. I dare you to reveal your
identity. If you don't you're a coward. Any time, any place. Bring
your friends. I don't mind. Waiting... I DARE YOU. I am the ancestor
of the Vikings!
Hey, Jesustroll, when you were a little boy, did your granny explain
why everyone called you "Mr. Holy"? You know, because you were, and
STILL ARE a Xristian idiot.
Ok, go ahead, get busy. Spend another 1000 hours of your valueless
unemployed time and continue devoting your life to forging posts.
Yeah, spread it as far as you want, like you've been doing.
At the end of the day, I'll still be paying peeps to fly me and you
won't. See, the internet isn't my life like it is yours. Ok, I lied
rite there but I am MAN enough to admit it. I am sensible and in
control GODDAMMIT.
Mark IV, simply the best
Obsess much? ;)

http://boardreader.com/thread/I_dare_you_Jeffrey_Bloss_95btXdfjvx.html
Dan
2011-04-21 23:12:12 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
Not since they overdid your bris.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Mark IV
2011-04-21 23:19:15 UTC
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Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.

Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
Dan
2011-04-21 23:43:41 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
"Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Mark IV
2011-04-22 00:37:12 UTC
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Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
"Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
mullah?

Look here boyo...if you or anyone else puts a muslim propaganda post
here, I'm gonna put 10 posts against it. If you put ten, I'll put a
hundred. If you put a hundred, I'll put a thousand. So tell your
sandnigger friends they're responsible for the ANTI campaign that
follows.

Muhammed was a camel fucking warlord that couldn't get along with his
own family. Islam is an ignorant knock-off religion of Christianity.
Go build a plane out of Elmer's glue, and hit 20k ft. Merry Easter rag
head.

Mark IV Kills Muslims On Contact
Dan
2011-04-22 01:37:28 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Post by Dan
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
"Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
mullah?
Look here boyo...if you or anyone else puts a muslim propaganda post
here, I'm gonna put 10 posts against it. If you put ten, I'll put a
hundred. If you put a hundred, I'll put a thousand. So tell your
sandnigger friends they're responsible for the ANTI campaign that
follows.
Muhammed was a camel fucking warlord that couldn't get along with his
own family. Islam is an ignorant knock-off religion of Christianity.
Go build a plane out of Elmer's glue, and hit 20k ft. Merry Easter rag
head.
Mark IV Kills Muslims On Contact
How long have you been so insecure, Muhammad IV?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
george
2011-04-22 04:38:41 UTC
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   How long have you been so insecure, Muhammad IV?
Ever since they let him out of the Institution but the way he's
posting that small problem is going to solve itself
Mark IV
2011-04-22 11:19:52 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
     Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
     "Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
mullah?
Look here boyo...if you or anyone else puts a muslim propaganda post
here, I'm gonna put 10 posts against it. If you put ten, I'll put a
hundred. If you put a hundred, I'll put a thousand. So tell your
sandnigger friends they're responsible for the ANTI campaign that
follows.
Muhammed was a camel fucking warlord that couldn't get along with his
own family. Islam is an ignorant knock-off religion of Christianity.
Go build a plane out of Elmer's glue, and hit 20k ft. Merry Easter rag
head.
Mark IV Kills Muslims On Contact
   How long have you been so insecure, Muhammad IV?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Hey Dan, I just caught the tail end of this
thread. Some dufus is obsessed with me and
uses my identity to play "spam the usenet".

I've offered numerous times to meet him in
person, or to match me financially thru PayPal
to see who can back up their words. Each
time he chickenshits out and changes the
subject. His ONLY weapon is to impersonate
my Google group identity. I see this individual
as mentally and emotionally disturbed.

He acts likes this in numerous groups and has
been doing so for years under the names of
"Jeffrey Bloss", "Ari Silverstein", "Gezellig",
"Ted Sherman", "Heirophant", and dozens more.

Just giving you a heads up Sir.

At one point this troll claimed to be
Duane J. Ritter of Marietta, Georgia, but
that hasn't been substantiated. What has
been verified through police inquiries is
an individual by the name of Phillip T.
Mellinger of Ellicott City, Maryland is
involved with this, even making crank phone
calls. These are facts.

I'm an American pilot in General Aviation,
semi-retired with some involvement in the
sustainable energy fields.

---
Mark IV
Mark IV
2011-04-22 11:38:37 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
     Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
     "Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
mullah?
Look here boyo...if you or anyone else puts a muslim propaganda post
here, I'm gonna put 10 posts against it. If you put ten, I'll put a
hundred. If you put a hundred, I'll put a thousand. So tell your
sandnigger friends they're responsible for the ANTI campaign that
follows.
Muhammed was a camel fucking warlord that couldn't get along with his
own family. Islam is an ignorant knock-off religion of Christianity.
Go build a plane out of Elmer's glue, and hit 20k ft. Merry Easter rag
head.
Mark IV Kills Muslims On Contact
   How long have you been so insecure, Muhammad IV?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Also Sir, here is a very succinct description
of how this Troll operates, as described by the
owner of a Cruise Ship and travel booking
company:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.piloting/2010-07/msg00204.html

My internet service has never been
interrupted.

---
Mark IV
Mark IV
2011-04-22 11:47:27 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
     Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
     "Monnkeys?" "Millioaire?" Ask your mullah to explain what a spell
checker is.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
mullah?
Look here boyo...if you or anyone else puts a muslim propaganda post
here, I'm gonna put 10 posts against it. If you put ten, I'll put a
hundred. If you put a hundred, I'll put a thousand. So tell your
sandnigger friends they're responsible for the ANTI campaign that
follows.
Muhammed was a camel fucking warlord that couldn't get along with his
own family. Islam is an ignorant knock-off religion of Christianity.
Go build a plane out of Elmer's glue, and hit 20k ft. Merry Easter rag
head.
Mark IV Kills Muslims On Contact
   How long have you been so insecure, Muhammad IV?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Also Sir, here is a very succinct description
of how this Troll operates, as described by the
owner of a Cruise Ship and travel booking
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.piloting/201...
My internet service has never been
interrupted.
---
Mark IV
As it appears on the alt.travel.cruise newsgroup...

Ari Silverstein, C.T.A; C.T.A.S, FREE Cruise Travel Advisory
Services
www.cruisequick.com - able to offer some of the lowest prices and
best
value added in the industry. (not affiliated)


WARNING: Using a fake name, Ari's premise is simple... "a lie is
as good as the truth if he can get someone to believe it." But
heed this warning; he has tried all of this before. Just look
back on the various newsgroups, and there he will be in all his
pathetic
ugliness. Yet, this time it is much worse. Out to undermine these
newsgroups to the point that seemingly he alone appears to be the
only authority on just about everything, and/or pretends he is trying
to
warn us of others, he not only fabricates all he says, but does much
of it
by stealing the identity of many others, including yours truly, as the
means
to this end (if a posting seems out of character or obscene, be sure
to
check the Headers - if it's from X-privat or Mixmin, it's a forged
post from
Ari). Besides the identity theft, this time he is blatantly stalking
many of
us into many other newsgroups that we frequent as well, including this
one,
with the intent to disturb and spread his lies there as well. It was
even
shown that there are many more newsgroups that he is trying to disturb
this
way, even an aviation group in which he is apparently stealing the
identity
of actual pilots, where periodic warnings to readers about Ari are
posted.
There he pretended to be a pilot; here he pretends to actually be
involved.

Unfortunately, because of these very antics by Ari, some of the
regulars have already moved on to other forms of communication, or
soon will
be, including many of the travel agents from one of the original
newsgroups
he frequents. And after chasing them away by posting vile messages
under
their names, he chastises them for leaving the group. He then tries to
fool
readers here that he is the savior of the group - when in fact he is
the
person who has caused all the anarchy.

Others are simply waiting and hopefully for a time when it is
safe to rejoin the various groups. Yet, to Ari, it doesn't matter...
he
simply continues to post and adds threads using the identities
of these others, saying and implying things that they would
never actually say. And just look at his current signature line in
these
other groups, doing the exact same thing that he accuses many of us as
doing. Yet, unlike Ari's signature, ours is at least in keeping with
what is
acceptable according to the Charter guidelines. Plus, follow our
links,
which will lead you to actual and legitimate connections, affiliations
and
licensed endeavors. That can't be said of the associations Ari claims;
a
website that attracts spammers, in addition to certifications that
have
never heard of him.

Now we all know that this post and information will simply be
met with more lies, negative comments and innuendos by Ari,
staying true to form, with him possibly tying to add clout by
again taking on the identity of some of the other regulars. As
to his bashing of me personally (which in this case will be a
forgone conclusion) one only needs to look to the source. He
hasn't been accurate yet in anything he has said, so it is of
little consequence what he tries to makes up in this reference.
Nothing has changed on my end at all, but seemingly this is not
the case with some of the services he claims as leverage in his
dealings. Even they have a problem claiming something that he is
not, and using foul language to boot. What can be done in the
meantime until such antics can be stopped? On our part, that
answer is simple. Totally ignore everything Ari does and says,
don't believe a word of what he tells anyone, be suspicious of
others actually backing and endorsing such behavior (it is
probably just him anyway), and let's simply go about business as
before - minus Ari.

Smooth sailing to all...
John Sisker
.
Schiffner
2011-04-22 16:41:31 UTC
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On Apr 21, 6:37 pm, Mark IV <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
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hey cock breath...muslims believe in the same god you and the jew
believe in. Just in case you didn't know you uneducation shit for
brains.

Religion, the leading cause of human suffering on the planet.
Mark IV
2011-04-22 18:42:54 UTC
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hey cock breath...muslims believe in the same god you and the jew
believe in. Just in case you didn't know you uneducation shit for
brains.
Religion, the leading cause of human suffering on the planet.
fuck u AND FUCK THE GOD YOU RODE IN ON. Obviously you have never flown
a plane much less built one.

And, a lot of kit planes end up under dusty tarps unfinished too.
Mine? It's a jet...the price is about 39k. I'm ready to order since
2008.

You see, I am a Renaissance Man. I'm still attempting things people
think are impossible. I'm a dichotomy, shoot em dead brainbell
jangler, a soft diamond, a militaristic saint, and always a very wise
fool...If anything I'm a Zena.
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http://cc.st/My-Bio
Mark IV
2011-04-22 21:14:23 UTC
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Post by Schiffner
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hey cock breath...muslims believe in the same god you and the jew
believe in. Just in case you didn't know you uneducation shit for
brains.
Religion, the leading cause of human suffering on the planet.
fuck u AND FUCK THE GOD YOU RODE IN ON. Obviously you have never flown
a plane much less built one.
And, a lot of kit planes end up under dusty tarps unfinished too.
Mine? It's a jet...the price is about 39k. I'm ready to order since
2008.
You see, I am a Renaissance Man. I'm still attempting things people
lthink are impossible. I'm a dichotomy, shoot em dead brainbell
jangler, a soft diamond, a militaristic saint, and always a very wise
fool...If anything I'm a Zena.
--http://cc.st/My-Twitter-Pagehttp://cc.st/My-Bio
Philip T. Mellinger
9685 Gwynn Park Dr.
Ellicott City, Maryland 21042
410-750-2603

Schiffner
2011-04-22 16:40:16 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
   Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
Liar cheat theif drug abuser...and you got a little dinky.

tell you what BOY when you stop being scared...then talk shit. Me I
hope you come to my town...you've given me enough ammo to shoot you on
sight and scalp. 8^) That's not a threat. I don't threaten, little
piles of shit like you need to either be quiet and not talk to each
other or you need to be killed, period end of discussion.
Mark IV
2011-04-22 17:58:30 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
   Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
Liar cheat theif drug abuser...and you got a little dinky.
tell you what BOY when you stop being scared...then talk shit. Me I
hope you come to my town...you've given me enough ammo to shoot you on
sight and scalp. 8^) That's not a threat. I don't threaten, little
piles of shit like you need to either be quiet and not talk to each
other or you need to be killed, period end of discussion.
Philip T. Mellinger
Ellicott City, Maryland
Mark IV
2011-04-22 18:40:31 UTC
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Post by Mark IV
Post by Mark IV
Mark IV, simply the best
   Not since they overdid your bris.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I doubt the dogs dislike for you *Negros* (porch monkkeys) was based
on a previous experience. Most dogs don't like black people. I'm here
for you black, crack-baby.
Mark IV, rich, handsome, millioaire, *CAUCASIAN*
Liar cheat theif drug abuser...and you got a little dinky.
tell you what BOY when you stop being scared...then talk shit. Me I
hope you come to my town...you've given me enough ammo to shoot you on
sight and scalp. 8^) That's not a threat. I don't threaten, little
piles of shit like you need to either be quiet and not talk to each
other or you need to be killed, period end of discussion.
Look here needledick, GO TO FUCKING HELL. MR. NOBODY.

You can call yourself a creative genius when you've done what I've
done.

My walls are covered with the first run editions of /intricate/
valuable artwork. I have the originals safely stored away too. All
these pieces were commissioned before they were started, and they
represent thousands of dollars in revenue. They were all done by the
same artist.

*Me*
--
http://cc.st/My-Twitter-Page
http://cc.st/My-Bio
Mark IV
2011-04-19 23:21:47 UTC
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Live To Spend It
Good luck with that.
vaughn
2011-04-19 21:59:01 UTC
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My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves
by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to
install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a
drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special
airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until
then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is
coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. ..

Vaughn
hierophant
2011-04-19 22:05:00 UTC
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Post by hierophant
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves
by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to
install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a
drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special
airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until
then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is
coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. ..
Vaughn
I had not thought about the see-avoid issue; this might give drones
freer realm in general airspace. Which is better? See-avoid drones
competing for any of our airspace or limited airspace for blind
drones?

A pickle.
j***@specsol.spam.sux.com
2011-04-19 22:43:50 UTC
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Post by hierophant
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Agree. The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves
by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to
install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them. When a
drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special
airspace will be necessary. That is the standard we should insist on. Until
then, we should hold their feet to the fire. Video "see & avoid" technology is
coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane. ..
Vaughn
I had not thought about the see-avoid issue; this might give drones
freer realm in general airspace. Which is better? See-avoid drones
competing for any of our airspace or limited airspace for blind
drones?
A pickle.
Not really.

Drones have very limited utility in the US as a whole so I highly doubt
there will ever be many of them flying in general airspace other than
near the borders.

For testing and such the military already has restricted areas and MOAs
suitable for that.

And if a drone could ever see and avoid as well as the average 172 pilot,
there wouldn't be any realistic reason they couldn't fly with everything
else.

However, that is a big "if".

In the meantime, I wouldn't find a "mode C veil" along the boarder
objectionable.
--
Jim Pennino

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Why BeeDee
2011-04-19 22:40:54 UTC
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My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
Agree.  The drone folks would love to simplify and cheapen things for themselves
by 1) grabbing airspace and 2) by forcing the owners of all other planes to
install transponder equipment so that drones can cheaply "see" them.   When a
drone is able to "see and avoid" just like a human pilot, then no special
airspace will be necessary.  That is the standard we should insist on.  Until
then, we should hold their feet to the fire.  Video "see & avoid"  technology is
coming, and may someday be cheap enough to go in any well-equipped airplane.  ..
Vaughn
Agreed.

The only trouble is that your key word - "cheaply" - will be the
driving factor in the struggle between drone operators and GA. The
operators will claim that "see & avoid" capability will be cost
prohibitive to implement. Since a plurality, if not a majority of
drone operators in the near term will have government functions
(police, aerial surveys, etc.), it's a fair bet that GA will have to
bite the bullet with mandated transponders.

Uncontrolled airspace will soon be a thing of the past.
hierophant
2011-04-20 17:18:50 UTC
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Post by Why BeeDee
Uncontrolled airspace will soon be a thing of the past.
Sadly ;(
Schiffner
2011-04-19 22:50:49 UTC
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Post by hierophant
Appears so :(
<http://www.gatheringspot.net/news-article/general-discussion/lobbying...>
The article originally had a picture of a non-drone SR-71 Blackbird
which was removed. ???
My concern is that this certification will lead to the
<temporary><permanent> closing of airspace ala Nevada. Imagine if
general air over cities, coastlines, borders and the potential impact
of smaller airfields. :(
--
Live To Spend It
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.

I wouldn't worry much. Then again considering what a anti-anyone but
the government and big business organization the faa is, I don't
discount your concern.
Why BeeDee
2011-04-19 23:07:57 UTC
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Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.
I wouldn't be so sure about that:

FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S

(CBS/AP) Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and
reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the
pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.

The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying
rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-
enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are
worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and
corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and
hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.

On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes.
Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack.
The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.

The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless
planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather
data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State
police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars'
license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing
suspects.

Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that
are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than
piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.

"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in
(civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic
operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having
constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the
Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to
figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of
vehicles."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/national/main6579920.shtml
Schiffner
2011-04-19 23:15:50 UTC
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Post by Schiffner
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.
FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S
(CBS/AP)  Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and
reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the
pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.
The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying
rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-
enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are
worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and
corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and
hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.
On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes.
Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack.
The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.
The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless
planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather
data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State
police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars'
license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing
suspects.
Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that
are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than
piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.
"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in
(civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic
operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having
constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the
Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to
figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of
vehicles."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/national/main6579920.shtml
bah, how else to get rid of civil aviation? The government has been
working towards that goal for 50 years...
Why BeeDee
2011-04-19 23:21:27 UTC
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Post by Why BeeDee
Post by Schiffner
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.
FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S
(CBS/AP)  Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and
reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the
pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.
The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying
rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-
enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are
worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and
corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and
hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.
On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes.
Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack.
The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.
The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless
planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather
data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State
police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars'
license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing
suspects.
Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that
are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than
piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.
"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in
(civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic
operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having
constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the
Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to
figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of
vehicles."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/national/main6579920.shtml
bah, how else to get rid of civil aviation? The government has been
working towards that goal for 50 years...
I tend to agree. I'm sure there isn't a day goes by that some brainiac
at the FAA doesn't pass some time wondering how many beer cans could
be made out of the 200,000+ aircraft registered in the USA.

Sad to say...
Schiffner
2011-04-20 02:42:59 UTC
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Post by Schiffner
Post by Why BeeDee
Post by Schiffner
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.
FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S
(CBS/AP)  Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and
reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the
pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.
The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying
rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-
enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are
worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and
corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and
hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.
On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes.
Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack.
The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.
The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless
planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather
data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State
police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars'
license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing
suspects.
Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that
are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than
piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.
"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in
(civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic
operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having
constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the
Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to
figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of
vehicles."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/national/main6579920.shtml
bah, how else to get rid of civil aviation? The government has been
working towards that goal for 50 years...
I tend to agree. I'm sure there isn't a day goes by that some brainiac
at the FAA doesn't pass some time wondering how many beer cans could
be made out of the 200,000+ aircraft registered in the USA.
Sad to say...
I have secret planes in case of lottery. Mr. Rutan will be getting a
call...nothing new, nothing off the shelf either. ;^)
hierophant
2011-04-20 17:20:46 UTC
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Post by Schiffner
Not really, the only market that is remotely viable for drones would
be transoceanic flights. Domestically things are too crowded unless
they flew well over 50,000...and that's only practical if you fly
coast2coast.
FAA Pressed to Allow Drone Flights in U.S
(CBS/AP)  Unmanned aircraft have proved their usefulness and
reliability in the war zones of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the
pressure's on to allow them in the skies over the United States.
The Federal Aviation Administration has been asked to issue flying
rights for a range of pilotless planes to carry out civilian and law-
enforcement functions but has been hesitant to act. Officials are
worried that they might plow into airliners, cargo planes and
corporate jets that zoom around at high altitudes, or helicopters and
hot air balloons that fly as low as a few hundred feet off the ground.
On top of that, these pilotless aircraft come in a variety of sizes.
Some are as big as a small airliner, others the size of a backpack.
The tiniest are small enough to fly through a house window.
The obvious risks have not deterred the civilian demand for pilotless
planes. Tornado researchers want to send them into storms to gather
data. Energy companies want to use them to monitor pipelines. State
police hope to send them up to capture images of speeding cars'
license plates. Local police envision using them to track fleeing
suspects.
Like many robots, the planes have advantages over humans for jobs that
are dirty, dangerous or dull. And the planes often cost less than
piloted aircraft and can stay aloft far longer.
"There is a tremendous pressure and need to fly unmanned aircraft in
(civilian) airspace," Hank Krakowski, FAA's head of air traffic
operations, told European aviation officials recently. "We are having
constant conversations and discussions, particularly with the
Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security, to
figure out how we can do this safely with all these different sizes of
vehicles."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/national/main6579920.shtml
bah, how else to get rid of civil aviation? The government has been
working towards that goal for 50 years...
I tend to agree. I'm sure there isn't a day goes by that some brainiac
at the FAA doesn't pass some time wondering how many beer cans could
be made out of the 200,000+ aircraft registered in the USA.
Sad to say...
I have secret planes in case of lottery. Mr. Rutan will be getting a
call...nothing new, nothing off the shelf either. ;^)
I'm buying a fake drone...that I can pilot. Fools them all ;)
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