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gg.lindsay
2008-12-17 13:41:34 UTC
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:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i hav
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.w
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, an
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flyin
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine befor
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im i
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in wes
sussex
Andy Hawkins
2008-12-17 14:03:26 UTC
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Hi,
:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i have
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high i
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.we
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, and
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flying
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine before
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im in
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year.
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in west
sussex.
Welcome aboard. You've started on a journey that'll have you alternately
grinning like a maniac and tearing your hair out. Stick with it, it's
definitely worth it!

Just a couple of things, for more 'student' related questions,
rec.aviation.student is often a better bet. There's also a (very quiet) UK
based group at uk.rec.aviation.

If web forums are your thing, then two that are worth a visit are those at
http://www.ukga.com/ and http://www.flyer.co.uk/

Best of luck!

Andy
http://adhawkins.wordpress.com
Andy Hawkins
2008-12-17 14:07:38 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Andy Hawkins
Just a couple of things, for more 'student' related questions,
rec.aviation.student is often a better bet. There's also a (very quiet) UK
based group at uk.rec.aviation.
Whoops, just noticed you *had* posted this in rec.aviation.student!

I'll shut up now :)

Andy
Clark
2008-12-17 16:23:47 UTC
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:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i have
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high i
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.we
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, and
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flying
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine before
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im in
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year.
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in west
sussex.
Congrats on getting started. A lot of us finally are in position to take
lessons in our 40's and 50's. Stick with it through the ups and downs. The
fun far outweights the frustrations of learning. That first solo may well be
one of the best things you've done in a long time. The grin isn't permanent
but it'll last awhile...
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Steve Hix
2008-12-18 03:25:50 UTC
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Post by Clark
:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i have
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high i
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.we
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, and
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flying
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine before
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im in
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year.
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in west
sussex.
Congrats on getting started. A lot of us finally are in position to take
lessons in our 40's and 50's. Stick with it through the ups and downs. The
fun far outweights the frustrations of learning. That first solo may well be
one of the best things you've done in a long time. The grin isn't permanent
but it'll last awhile...
Oh, it tends to keep coming back. Repeatedly.

Interspersed with bouts of kicking yourself for one thing or another. :}
Gezellig
2008-12-20 03:05:06 UTC
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:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i have
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high i
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.we
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, and
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flying
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine before
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im in
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year.
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in west
sussex.
54 here, no sweat!
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
2008-12-26 18:24:45 UTC
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:D hi i have started to my ppl at long last, at the age of 52 i have
had a few lessons now and all is going well, but the cost is high i
decided to learn in a tomahawk p38 as this was my cheapist choice.we
have done turns, level flight, flap settings and power settings, and
all the effects that intails.my next lesson i hope to do more flying
time and do pre checks which i hope will be standard routine before
hand, still i have bought a new headset dave clark h10-13.4 so im in
for the long haul,my goal is to do my fisrt solo early next year.
anyway thats the plan. Im flying at goodwood at present in west
sussex.
Congratulation. I am just over 50 but still hasn't started any realy
flying yet, mostly for financial reason.

I've already informed my family that I intend to fly and this is a
very dangerous sport but so far there is no objection from them. My
children had grown up so they can take over in case I'm gone.

I still have doubts about my ability at an age older than 50. My eyes,
memory and reflexes are not getting any better, so it is refreshing to
get an encouraging note from someone else. I may even need to do
complete medical checkup once a year but this is a good thing anyway.

When the price of oil shot up to over US100, I started abandoning my
dream of lying as an extravagant and therefore frivolous pursuit. Now
that the price of oil has gone down below US40, I start reconsidering
this hobby by first visiting this group. I'm surprised to see someone
with similar situation as I am.

Maybe it is time for me to immediately invest some time and money in
the demo flight but I should be more prepared. I have left my flight
simulation for too long since I upgraded to Vista. All my joysticks
are not supported by Vista. I had to buy a new one but it might be
better to invest in the demo flight in order to get real flying
experience. Someone told me that flight sickness is a problem but I
never have severe travel sickness problem, either on a plane, car or
even boat, although a small plane will tumble more and in all
directions which will test my resistance to travel sickness.

Once I start, I need to maintain flying proficiency in order to
improve safety and flying enjoyment. A good joystick will be a must
but may have to wait for Windows 7 again just in case, or just buy a
simpler and therefore cheaper versions. Consistency may be a problem
for me but this time I must keep up for at least a few years. There is
no turning back when I start flying. At least 10 hours per year flying
and at least 20 hours PC flight simulation, for a few years at least.

I promise myself to start the task before I'm 55 years old. Won't I be
childish in dreaming of flyijng around an airfield? I must learn how
to thicken my face, especially in my Borneon environment. After all,
Borneo is still among the most remote and inaccessible places still
present on earth.
Michael Ash
2008-12-26 19:25:40 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
I still have doubts about my ability at an age older than 50. My eyes,
memory and reflexes are not getting any better, so it is refreshing to
get an encouraging note from someone else. I may even need to do
complete medical checkup once a year but this is a good thing anyway.
Before I get started on the main thrust of my post, I must state that I am
only 28 years old, so my knowledge of older ages is purely by observation.

I don't think you have anything to worry about here. A lot of people start
flying around your age, for exactly the reasons you state. I'm lucky to be
able to fly at my age. Most people don't have the time or the money. A lot
more people start flying in their 40s and 50s, as their children grow up
and their income grows enough to make it work.

A very good friend of mine just stopped flying recently, at the age of (I
think) 78. He was very active until just a couple of years ago. He was
still physically capable of flying well, but it was getting marginal and
he just wasn't enjoying it as much as he once did.

Another friend who is also a co-owner of my plane is in his 70s and still
very active.

Certainly there can be medical troubles which prevent someone from flying,
and the chances of having such a thing increase as you get older, but it
seems that pure old age will not make you unsafe to fly until a very
advanced age.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
When the price of oil shot up to over US100, I started abandoning my
dream of lying as an extravagant and therefore frivolous pursuit. Now
that the price of oil has gone down below US40, I start reconsidering
this hobby by first visiting this group. I'm surprised to see someone
with similar situation as I am.
As a glider pilot I can only recommend that you check into sailplanes as
well. The price of gas affects us much less! Of course if powered flight
is what you want to do then powered flight is what you should do.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
Maybe it is time for me to immediately invest some time and money in
the demo flight but I should be more prepared. I have left my flight
simulation for too long since I upgraded to Vista. All my joysticks
are not supported by Vista. I had to buy a new one but it might be
better to invest in the demo flight in order to get real flying
experience. Someone told me that flight sickness is a problem but I
never have severe travel sickness problem, either on a plane, car or
even boat, although a small plane will tumble more and in all
directions which will test my resistance to travel sickness.
The utility of simulators is greatly debated on this group, but all I'll
say about it is that you should try to get in the air as soon and as often
as you can. Simulation is a poor substitute for the real thing.

As for airsickness, it varies so much depending on the individual. Most
people have no trouble with it, or just a little bit at the beginning of
their training. Some people have trouble with it longer, and a few people
never really get over it. However even if you're one of those unfortunate
people who never truly gets over it, it does not have to stop you from
flying!
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
I promise myself to start the task before I'm 55 years old. Won't I be
childish in dreaming of flyijng around an airfield? I must learn how
to thicken my face, especially in my Borneon environment. After all,
Borneo is still among the most remote and inaccessible places still
present on earth.
I can't speak to Borneo, but from what I've seen around my airport, if you
show up wanting to learn to fly at the age of 55 you'll fit right in with
everybody else. It's us youngsters showing up to fly who are the unusual
ones.
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Mark Hansen
2008-12-26 19:34:37 UTC
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Post by Michael Ash
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
I still have doubts about my ability at an age older than 50. My eyes,
memory and reflexes are not getting any better, so it is refreshing to
get an encouraging note from someone else. I may even need to do
complete medical checkup once a year but this is a good thing anyway.
[ snip ]
Post by Michael Ash
As for airsickness, it varies so much depending on the individual. Most
people have no trouble with it, or just a little bit at the beginning of
their training. Some people have trouble with it longer, and a few people
never really get over it. However even if you're one of those unfortunate
people who never truly gets over it, it does not have to stop you from
flying!
Great post, Michael. I just wanted to point out that in most cases, air
sickness is caused by nervousness on the part of the individual. Two things
will make this better:

1. Flying the plane (rather than just being a passenger)

2. Getting more familiar with the environment of flight.

By more familiar, I mean that with time, you will become more
comfortable and less (far less) nervous - and the uneasiness will
subside.
Post by Michael Ash
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
I promise myself to start the task before I'm 55 years old. Won't I be
childish in dreaming of flyijng around an airfield? I must learn how
to thicken my face, especially in my Borneon environment. After all,
Borneo is still among the most remote and inaccessible places still
present on earth.
I can't speak to Borneo, but from what I've seen around my airport, if you
show up wanting to learn to fly at the age of 55 you'll fit right in with
everybody else. It's us youngsters showing up to fly who are the unusual
ones.
True! :-)
--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA
Michael Ash
2008-12-27 04:35:19 UTC
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Post by Mark Hansen
Great post, Michael. I just wanted to point out that in most cases, air
sickness is caused by nervousness on the part of the individual. Two things
1. Flying the plane (rather than just being a passenger)
2. Getting more familiar with the environment of flight.
By more familiar, I mean that with time, you will become more
comfortable and less (far less) nervous - and the uneasiness will
subside.
A very good point to make. I touched on it kind of lightly, but it's good
to spell it out. Motion sickness during your first flights shouldn't scare
you away because it's highly probable that you'll get better!
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
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