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Cirrus Acquired By Chinese Company
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Mxsmanic
2011-03-01 09:24:36 UTC
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Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
Chinese company..
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
Robert Barker
2011-03-02 02:59:16 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
Chinese company..
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
wish list.
Dave Doe
2011-03-02 12:58:41 UTC
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In article <***@giganews.com>, cowboy_bob99
@hotmail.com, Robert Barker says...
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Post by Mxsmanic
Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
Chinese company..
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
wish list.
Why not?
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Robert Barker
2011-03-03 01:59:09 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
Chinese company..
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
wish list.
Why not?
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Duncan.
Based on the quality of all the other crap that comes from China. Sure, it
will be made in the US... For now. How long till they do like they have
historically done and move everything over there and "refine" the design.
Dylan Smith
2011-03-04 15:33:07 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Based on the quality of all the other crap that comes from China. Sure, it
will be made in the US... For now. How long till they do like they have
historically done and move everything over there and "refine" the design.
Cheap crap is cheap crap wherever it is made, it is not something that
the Chinese have a monopoly on. Having had a number of PCBs made
in China, I can say the quality and reliability of those were top notch.
Mxsmanic
2011-03-02 18:07:16 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
wish list.
I had some issues with Cirrus even when it was still an American company, so
it was never really on my wish list. It's a company that deliberately markets
its aircraft in a misleading way to naive, low-time, wealthy pilots.
Jim Logajan
2011-03-02 21:31:21 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
I had some issues with Cirrus even when it was still an American
company, so it was never really on my wish list. It's a company that
deliberately markets its aircraft in a misleading way to naive,
low-time, wealthy pilots.
The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
marketing are irrelevant.
Mxsmanic
2011-03-03 05:13:14 UTC
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Post by Jim Logajan
The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
marketing are irrelevant.
What is the average number of hours that a Cirrus accident pilot has?
hierophant
2011-03-03 05:24:03 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Jim Logajan
The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
marketing are irrelevant.
What is the average number of hours that a Cirrus accident pilot has?
Aw, the troll at work! Let's tune in and see if Jim swallows the hook,
line and/or sinker ;)
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Bob Moore
2011-03-02 19:46:41 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
my wish list.
Not too well informed...eh?

"But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."

This is a 2007 news article.

Bob Moore
Robert Barker
2011-03-03 02:05:02 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
my wish list.
Not too well informed...eh?
"But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
This is a 2007 news article.
Bob Moore
2010 article.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee

They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
It's happened over and over and over.
hierophant
2011-03-03 19:17:32 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Bob Moore
Post by Robert Barker
The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
my wish list.
Not too well informed...eh?
"But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
This is a 2007 news article.
Bob Moore
2010 article.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee
They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
It's happened over and over and over.
Robert, there is no arguing with someone who has a chunk on his
shoulder for this set of foreign nationals or that set of FNs. I could
point out that there are dozens of countries that have run their
businesses in similar fashion but why get in the way of your chosen
funset? ;)

As far as Cirrus is concerned, it is a fine aircraft which can well
become a better one and a less expensive alternative mutually. The
only way that can happen in these days and times is for the Chinese to
step in; sure beats the Koreans!

The Chinese now own a piston-engine manufacturer, two VLJ airframes, a
kit company and several other technologies. Can any American company
say the same?

If we rely on Wichita and Florida to fashion our aircraft, we will
continue to be in a spiral of increasing prices (including operating
expenses) and decreasing performance.

The entry of the Chinese in the GA market is a good thing imho; it was
bound to happen and now it has.
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2011-03-03 20:38:49 UTC
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The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
my wish list.
Not too well informed...eh?
"But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
This is a 2007 news article.
Bob Moore
2010 article.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee
They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
It's happened over and over and over.
Robert, there is no arguing with someone who has a chunk on his
shoulder for this set of foreign nationals or that set of FNs. I could
point out that there are dozens of countries that have run their
businesses in similar fashion but why get in the way of your chosen
funset? ;)
As far as Cirrus is concerned, it is a fine aircraft which can well
become a better one and a less expensive alternative mutually. The
only way that can happen in these days and times is for the Chinese to
step in; sure beats the Koreans!
The Chinese now own a piston-engine manufacturer, two VLJ airframes, a
kit company and several other technologies. Can any American company
say the same?
If we rely on Wichita and Florida to fashion our aircraft, we will
continue to be in a spiral of increasing prices (including operating
expenses) and decreasing performance.
The entry of the Chinese in the GA market is a good thing imho; it was
bound to happen and now it has.
What really happens will depend a lot on how much is moved to China and
what the FAA does.

Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?
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Jim Pennino

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Bug Dout
2011-03-03 23:13:51 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
They don't invent or innovate on their own
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independent thought is discouraged.
I think YOU need to think independently of talk radio.
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In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are
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